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Any feedback from Tuesday's Meeting re clubs not fulfilling their games??

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I would go for a league of 5 rinks, with all games being played at the same venue. It would still be 2 points per match + 2 bonus points for shots. The league would be played over 18 weeks,....

The reason I suggested 5 rinks is that clubs like Clydebank,Old Kilpatrick,Radnor and Dalmuir regularly have members playing games on end rinks, beside the Lge games on a Fri. Closing a full green would stop these players from enjoying their regular Friday night out.
Also I think 5 rinks per club would be more achieveable on a weekly basis and each club would have strong teams meaning all games would be evenly contested.
Each individual club would then be responsible for finding other games of interest to all their members, something that Clydebank should looking into. (our 125 commitee found some new days last year and some of these games could be refreshed, amongst others)
Although our own members may not be instantly supportive of this proposal it is clear to everyone that the current requirement across the district cannot be sustained. We are fortunate that we have a healthy number of players to pick from and over the last few seasons a number of players have been introduced to our team as a reward for their performances in our various club comps and Lennox fixtures. Very few players will have been missed by our selectors and I would trust them to continue to give all the players a fair chance even if the number of players were reduced.

P.S. Even David Bryant wouldn't get picked if he called the selectors ar****les's

Gentlemen,
Within this topic area we have a good selection of ideas that are worth consideration by the members of the CDBA committee supplied by concerned players of various kindred clubs. This problem is not going to go away and with it being highly unlikely that the CDBA committee will ever see these ideas on this site let along consider them, they need to be presented by members of every club to their CDBA delegates.
We have over 5 months of meetings to get the dialog started before the time comes to make a decision for season 2011. Keeping the CDBA functional for all member clubs must be the top priority so we do not loose clubs because other clubs are not prepared to compromise.
Without change nothing moves forward is that what we want?
Let’s look at the issues some of the clubs have and discuss them
Let’s consider the pros and the cons on the options available and discuss them
Let’s listen to the arguments and reach a solution.
Compromise and talking is the only answer to these issues no matter how long it takes,

That’s if we want the CBDA to survive.

I can only agree with Baldy B with regards to talking.....I'd go as far as asking 10 clubs to send 10 representitives A-SAP to a CDBA meeting. That way the clubs will be properley represented and it will more or less be an EGM of the CDBA to discuss one thing only and that is the progression of CDBA League. Primarily it is to secure the retention of its members clubs......followed by the reconstruction of the league. Priority is to find a format suitable to all clubs.....!!! We must keep in mind the timescales proposals must be submitted to allow voting per constitution.

All very well guys, but as BB says, there are only about 20/30 of us use/read this site, and most of them are members of Clydebank, it needs someone to take action, outwith the confines of this site.

Gentlemen,

I popst a copy of the proposal that will be getting presented at the CDBA AGM for your interest, Hopefully making this public will help some additional thoughts and ideas together before the meeting.



CDBA
League Proposal

Outline & Intention

This proposal is direct from Yoker Bowling Club and its intention is, primarily, to save the ailing CDBA League.

Secondly it is intended to revitalise, the league competition, league cup competition, Acland Allan and Kirkwood Emblem. It will also reincarnate/create two trophies currently redundant/not played for.

The proposal has been unanimously agreed by our Board of Management and should be placed on the agenda for discussion at the CDBA AGM.

Proposal

All teams will field 6 rinks every Friday with all rinks playing at the same venue.

Clubs will play each of the other 9 clubs home and away through 18 weeks of the season.

League season 2011 would kick off Friday 15th April and finish Friday 19th August i.e. 18 weeks. (Dates to be agreed)

The league Cup will be played for between the winner of the league and the runner up, the Kirkwood Emblem would be played for by the 3rd and 4th place teams and the Acland Allan would be played for by the 5th and 6th place teams. There could be two other cups created or reincarnated for the 7th/8th & 9th/10th teams. One could be the Young Trophy. All cup games to be played on Friday 26th August. (Date to be agreed)

Positives of Proposal

This proposal while reducing clubs from 8 to 6 rinks should protect the financial income of all clubs and reignite a once prestigious league.

It should also add to a more competitive league with all players playing on the one green.

It should also bring back the togetherness of all the CDBA clubs rather than discussing teams inabilities to field 8 rinks and the negativities stemming from a stagnant league.

Revamped Kirkwood Emblem & Acland Allan

With playing through holiday period more players would get chance to participate

Potential of attracting sponsor to new league construction

Negatives of Proposal

Revamped Kirkwood Emblem & Acland Allan

League Cup would only be played for between two clubs, however through the league season the teams would be playing for a top two finish to allow them the chance to play in the league cup.

Consideration required to schedule in Top Ten tournament into fixture list.

Eight less players playing every Friday night

baldyB wrote:Gentlemen,

I popst a copy of the proposal that will be getting presented at the CDBA AGM for your interest, Hopefully making this public will help some additional thoughts and ideas together before the meeting.



CDBA
League Proposal

Outline & Intention

This proposal is direct from Yoker Bowling Club and its intention is, primarily, to save the ailing CDBA League.

Secondly it is intended to revitalise, the league competition, league cup competition, Acland Allan and Kirkwood Emblem. It will also reincarnate/create two trophies currently redundant/not played for.

The proposal has been unanimously agreed by our Board of Management and should be placed on the agenda for discussion at the CDBA AGM.

Personally I feel that the league format has to be changed at this years AGM so I thank Yoker for putting forward this proposal. This is an important year for them as they have the Presidency of the CDBA, so it is good to see them stepping forward and proposing change which will hopefully spark a resurgence of the district.
What concerns me is that Clydebank wasted our position of power last year in going for the status quo when we should have been leading the way with a proposal of change, I hope we don't do the same again.
The bowlers in the District want change lets hope that all the clubs follow suit

Firstly, I'd like to thank CBC for their support to changing the CDBA League and the comments from TN!! I attended the CDBA AGM, last night, and to say the least I was disapointed with the discussions to league reconstruction.

To start with the Yoker Secretary did not do as he was asked and present the Yoker Proposal in its entirity to the previous CDBA meeting. Furthermore it was not distributed via the appropriate channels i.e.via The Club Secretaries, after that meeting between the kindred clubs. I consider this SHOCKING with a capital S!! No wonder the league is gubbed....I found the meeting disorganised and filled with lack of thought and common sense. I also found certain comments confusing by other clubs and to be honest to quote a colloquial term ' Kangaroo Court' springs to mind.

Gentlemen....if you ever want to gamble your mortgage, stick it all on the Status Quo. What is shocking about this is because 'its sticking with the devil you know'. We'll you can't really say 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' can you. The current league format is gubbed and EVERY CLUB knows it.

More than one club stated that the league is in a 'farcical' state....so why not try something new, on a trial basis. The Yoker proposal was one prepared by me and presented through the Yoker board. I do not think it is flawless, that's why if it was voted in I would be the first to suggest a 2 or 3 year trial.

I also respect other opinions and Peter Greenlees from Radnor mentioned a loss in revenue to clubs should our proposal go through. I will contact him to see where he got his figures as I still see the exact number of players passing through each club on both the proposal and the status quo. The proposal was designed to protect EVERY clubs income. Whether Peter is right or wrong he at least looked at it in depth.

One thing is........if the vote goes status quo, it will be status quo until the START of the season. Victoria Park will, I'm sure, look elsewhere, we will call a SGM at our club...I'm sure at least one other club will be doing the same.

The other point brought up was the lack of opportunity for players to play if we drop to 6 rinks. But with the Yoker proposal there is many more games, equalling that out.

Football, Cricket, Snooker, Formula 1, Darts.....these all change formats. The object of each game remains the same so why can't other clubs waken up and smell the horlicks. Clubs are suffering badly with income and membership, a major focal point in a club SHOULD be their league team/league night. The CDBA product no longer works. We don't even have a sponsor. If they did change I'd be prepared to work for the league and ensure we have a sponsor for the start of the season. Good Product - Good Sponsor, Bad Product - No Interest.

Anyway....all that said....I think we are wasting our time as the majority of the clubs will vote to maintain a farcical league.

The league will change next summer, we all know that. There is no way that the current 10 clubs will be putting out 8 rinks on a Friday night, therefor any vote for the status quo is a waste of time.
We used to have a darts league but that died. Clubs are turning up with players short for the carpet league. Every club used to play the doms league, now theres 5 clubs playing.
Is that the number we are going to have playing in the bowls league.
Membership numbers are dropping at every club, unfortunately this is not going to change anytime soon but the participation in a strong district league needs to be protected.
Each club has a responsibility to their kindred clubs to try and find a format that can enhance our league. Therefor each club should bring a proposal to a series of special meetings where they can be whittled down until a format can be agreed on. Any club who doesn't present a proposal should forfiet any voting rites although joint proposals would be acceptable.
I know some will say that this is not permitted within the CDBA rules but those rules, like the league are outdated.